EG:
This is Elizabeth with "CHANGES," a radio program unabashedly dedicated to the basic energy of the universe which is what we all are, however you conceive it, and to the cause of evolution.

We have a remarkable happening today, at least in my years on community radio, and I'm so proud, as I always say, to be on KKUP and certainly hope that you will, if you are not a member, pledge your money at 408/253-6000 but not now - a little later in the day because I'm expecting a call from Jerusalem in Israel from a man named David Devor whom I met on-line and who represents the Project Mind Foundation that is based on a large, interesting book written by a man named "Kun" called "Project Mind." And he's going to be calling at 2:30, which is 12:30 at night in Israel, to discuss Accelerated Thought and what Project Mind is and whether there's a part for us to play in it. (musical interlude)

I'm very pleased to be able to bring to this KKUP and CHANGES audience, David Devor of a most fascinating, I think, idea - the transformation of the human race by having a think tank that specializes in evolution. Is that correct David?

DSD:
Almost Elizabeth! The concept is a little subtle, so I'll see if I can't clarify it a little for the introduction.

EG:
Good. So tell us what Project Mind is.

DSD:
We're a foundation for promoting what is conceived as an empirical project or experiment to promote a higher and more conscious form of creativity called "Accelerated Thought." It aims at accelerating scientific and technological breakthroughs while eliminating the fragmentation and pollution that you get from science and technology as they are today. If we're successful, the result will be what we call "holistic science" and that is meant to accomplish what both religion and science have failed to do and why, I guess, so many people are looking for a reconciliation of science and spirit and we think that we're on the right track.

EG:
In what way will Accelerated Thought be different from scientific modalities that are current today.

DSD:
Well, until now, science has been viewed as, primarily, a mechanical process of laboratories, instruments and procedures and we tend to forget that the soul of science is that spark of creativity, that momentary accessing of the transcendent, that brings some completely new idea into the world to which we give physical form so that we can all benefit from it in some way. The key word in this Eureka type of experience is "spark." It's a spark of inspiration. In other words, it's light that is highly restricted. It's a moment of illumination followed by a lot of mechanical work and elaboration in order to give it some kind of form. Accelerated Thought is about bringing certain individuals to a level of intensity of creative vision whereby their contact with the transcendent will be of a more ongoing nature. And we're talking, here, of a level of contact with the transcendent that can pierce the obscurity of this very dark world and relieve us of the ignorance of matter which science is already doing but in too fragmented a way and in too polluting a way. I guess you're aware that we now have, in our part of the world, a conference - your president is going to be arriving pretty soon - to try to solve some of the problems that stem from the abuse of the results of science and technology which are basically fragmented and thus dangerous.

EG:
Well, we'd be very happy if Accelerated Thought could lead some individuals to use science for other than military applications, of course.

DSD:
That is our ambition and we think we know how it must be done.

EG:
David, can you give us some idea of the know-how and what is involved?

DSD:
Before that, it might be a good idea to give some of your listeners a feel for what the concept means, what the term "Accelerated Thought" refers to, really.

EG:
Good. Yes, because you know I read that whole book and I really never did understand it.

DSD:
What it comes to is this. We do know of incidents in both the history of science and from psychology where rather unusual acts of creativity were performed. For instance, Coleridge the poet saw his poem, "Kublai Khan," in its totality, in a reverie. We have the example of Tesla who saw his alternating current electric motor, in its entirety, in a vision. It wasn't a question of developing it piece by piece. He saw it, instantly, in all its detail. The recently deceased Nobel laureate, an expert in plant genetics, Barbara McClintock was able to elucidate this, to some extent, by explaining in her biography how her seeing through a microscope was really of a spiritual nature. In other words, she was looking at the same things other people could see but because she was in contact with something "higher" she "saw" differently. She saw more holistically and was able to connect what she saw with practical things of this world.

EG:
So that is, hopefully, the kind of response you would get from a group of select individuals?

DSD:
Yes, that's the direction. But if you want something a little closer to it, think in terms of certain autistic children that are called "idiots savant," prodigies who sometimes have an uncanny ability to make calculations, to produce art and to reproduce music - gifts that imply a tremendous capacity for overall vision. It's as if we're all in a maze where we see only little tiny parts of things and they see the whole picture in front of them because they are part of a higher reality to which we are just not privy. Now that's closer to what we mean by "Accelerated Thought."

EG:
It sounds as though you're going to take the peak experiences that some of us have been fortunate enough to have and make a plateau of them so that one could exist at that level of consciousness.

DSD:
At least for enough time in order to have the vision that would let us bring down, from a higher world, the healing realities we need for this one.

EG:
What kind of consequences do you think would come out of this kind of Accelerated Thought?

DSD:
This is the part that many people have difficulty digesting. And that is the idea, that if we can conquer matter, in the sense that we eliminate our ignorance of matter, to such an extent that we could have something, like on STAR TREK (if you've seen it), along the lines of a replicator whereby simply demanding of the computer what you want, it would subatomically synthesize anything that you require and then, when you're finished with the object, it would reduce it to its elements so that you really wouldn't have any waste, we could eliminate our attachment to matter. Ideally, we'd have no more cupboards, no more drawers, not even pockets. You'd retrieve and recycle what ever you'd want, just like you now do with files in your computer. You call a file up, you use it and, when you're finished, in a sense you send it back. If we could get to the point where anyone could have virtually anything on demand just for the asking, we wouldn't really want anything we genuinely didn't need in the moment. Because matter, material possessions, would no longer be a factor of competition or division among us. In other words "things" would become worthless by the simple fact that we'd have devalued them by there being no more scarcity.

EG:
So would some form of nanotechnology, perhaps, give us instantaneous manifestation of the objects of our needs, our bodily needs and so forth?

DSD:
Well, nanotechnology is a logical extension of science that already exists. The question is: Will nanotechnology be done in a holistic manner or will it become fragmented just as the rest of science now is bringing with it all the same disadvantages and, perhaps, even more severe ones? It's as if for every blessing that science brings us, it also brings us both a danger and a source of pollution along with it. And the reason is that we're not performing science with "all our hearts and with all our souls." We're really not doing anything in more than a very tepid manner. And so we're using only a tiny, tiny fraction of ourselves which is something you hear very often. Our assumption is that we're using only a fraction of one percent of our creative capacity.

EG:
You're assuming, I guess, that if we have instantaneous manifestation of the objects of our physical needs, it will change our emotional being greatly, that the need for fear and greed and violence will disappear?

DSD:
Yes, but it's even more spectacular than that when you think about it.

EG:
That's great!

DSD:
If we have no more physical lack of any kind. In other words, disease has been conquered, anything that a person could want, could imagine, can be called up from the computer and realized, then our desires - and we are, essentially, desire - can no longer attach themselves to what is universally recognized as being worthless. Therefore, those same desires will do what? They'll attach themselves to what remains and that is 99.99% of reality which is metaphysical. In other words, that's the point at which we'll discover:

1. that physical existence is only a very, very thin peel or crust around an entirely metaphysical reality;

 
2. just how spiritually poor we really are - that our spiritual development never really got off the ground because we've been laboring under the spiritual gravity called "materialism."

EG:
We've seen more and more of that here on the West Coast of the United States - more people recognizing what you just said. Can you give us some more tangible words about what is happening right now with Project Mind and, perhaps, how people could contribute to it if they're interested or find out more about it.

DSD:
Well that's very kind of you. Right now we're a small group of people, twenty odd in number, in six different countries, who are really committed to making this project a reality. There are about 350 subscribers to our mail list that is called "Mochin." It's a mind/matter discussion forum on the Internet. Most important, is the book by our mentor, T.Kun, which is called "PROJECT MIND - The Conscious Conquest of Man & Matter Through Accelerated Thought." Would it be possible to supply you with email addresses?

EG:
Yes, I think you should do that and perhaps even a telephone number if there is one in the United States.

DSD:
Yes, if anyone is interested in purchasing the book, the 800 number for ordering is: 800/842-8338.

EG:
And that's to order the book by Kun entitled "PROJECT MIND."

DSD:
Now if anyone wants to contact me... Do you think many of your listeners have email? Because that's a wonderful way to make the world shrink.

EG:
It's certainly a growing happening. Why don't you give an email address, David.

DSD:
My address is: PMF. Our website/homepage address is http://www.projectmind.org/
Just one little thing, if I may make a disclaimer before I leave you.

EG:
Don't leave me yet. I have a couple of more questions.

DSD:
Oh, wonderful, but please let me make the disclaimer, anyway, because I get a little uncomfortable with the affirmation of saying that we think we have the answer to the world's problems. So let me just read the blurb on the back of the PROJECT MIND book because it expresses this pretension better than I have. It says:

"What is Life?
What is Death?
What is the secret of the cosmos?
Had the great minds of the past found all the answers, would there
still be such suffering?
The author claims to have found the key
to the cosmic riddle and declares open war on death and taxes."

EG:
Well, it's a fine vision. If we don't have the vision, we certainly cannot materialize the evolutionary step we need to take towards exactly the kind of things you've been talking about. If there were something that you, particularly, wanted people to know about Project Mind and Accelerated Thought and what might be in store if people got in touch with you and all of that, what would you say in the next few minutes so that we can leave people with a very positive idea of the work you're doing. I wouldn't have gotten in touch with you unless I really fell in love with the vision.

DSD:
That's very kind. Maybe a question?

EG:
The question is: How is Project Mind functioning? How can people who want to be in touch with you through any of these particular ways, how can they learn more immediately what Project Mind is and how they might fit in with it?

DSD:
If they have Internet access, they can join the email list that I mentioned before which has some 350 subscribers where the question of world transformation is discussed.

EG:
And, David, would you give people that information as to how to subscribe?

DSD:
With pleasure. The list is called "Mochin" which is a Hebrew word that pertains to the integration of light and matter - of higher and lower. It really means "mind." It's the idea of Higher Mind in Hebrew. It's a Kabbalistic word spelled "m-o-c-h-i-n" and the way to subscribe to this moderated list is to address your message to: listproc@shamash.org. Leaving the "subject" field blank, you type in the "message" field: "sub mochin" or "subscribe mochin" followed by your name.

EG:
I really hope that the work that you're doing will bloom, David, I'm very entranced with people who are not only talking about the possibility of an evolutionary future out of the morass and nightmare that the human race has been in, forever, but who are implementing it with direct action and I want to thank you for calling from Jerusalem in Israel.

DSD:
Could I leave you with a question?

EG:
Please.

DSD:
How do you get over five billion people to awaken to the reality the prime aspects of which are:

- that existence is 99.99% metaphysical;
- that we are truly spiritually poor;
- that we have virtually unlimited potential and, lastly,
- that we are all part of one soul?

For that one soul to start to coalesce, we are going to have to awaken and this will require that we break our attachment to matter. And that can't be accomplished through proselytizing, propaganda, persuasion, politics, etc. That will be done if a few people with determination, compassion and commitment can turn their bodies into Minds - instruments of vision.

EG:
Instruments of vision. How exquisite! That feels like a very good place to stop. I hope that we'll be in touch (I will subscribe to your list) and that Project Mind grows because we need it very badly. I hope some people who are listening will want to be in touch with you.

DSD:
Thank you very much, Elizabeth, and blessings to everybody from Jerusalem.

EG:
And blessings back to Jerusalem. May it know peace, soon. Good- bye David. (musical interlude)

A listener just called and suggested that I give a street address for David Devor with whom we just spoke from Jerusalem:

David S. Devor
Project Mind Foundation
54 HaNevi'im
Jerusalem 95141, Israel
tel: 972-2-624-0280
fax: 972-2-622-1860
email: PMF

I know he'll be happy to hear from any and/or all of you, actually, as all of us who are together in this interesting spiral that we're walking are reaching out our hands to each other in some non-physical way to see the path more clearly and help each other, up it, as we mirror each other, talk with each other, understand each other, more and more, and forgive the humanness enhancing, always, the qualities of transmutation and transformation that lie inside each one of us as we continually transform and transmute not even in the same body because our bodies aren't the same this minute as they were a day ago or two hours ago, for certain.